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Major Keel is a graduate of the U.S. Naval Academy, Annapolis.

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You're an aircraft and balloon pilot.

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You're a pilot.

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You're a pilot.

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You're a pilot.

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Major Keel is a graduate of the U.S. Naval Academy, Annapolis.

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You're an aircraft and balloon pilot in the Marines.

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You were a lecturer, author of four books about UFOs.

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Is that right? That's correct.

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And you are currently the director of NICAP.

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NICAP.

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Yes, National Investigations Committee on Aerophenomena.

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The National Investigations Committee on Aerophenomena, NICAP.

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Okay, Colonel Brian is a graduate of Princeton, a former special assistant to the secretary of the Air Force.

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Air Force, what did I say, Air Force?

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I was in it for four years. Can you imagine that? I'm mispronouncing it already.

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A distinguished magazine editor and writer, and he's an editor for Town and Country Saturday Evening Post.

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So you know that these gentlemen are not just,

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I saw one over there, mind that.

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Well, there goes another one.

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That's not that time. These are distinguished gentlemen who really believe that there are such things as

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extraterrestrial explorations of our planet.

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That's correct. You really believe that?

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We agree with the Air Force. They have a top secret conclusion that these thousands of optics have been seen by pilots,

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and, in fact, by radar are real, and they're superior to anything we have,

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so there's, from somewhere, there's just a little head of us.

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You agree with that statement? There. Completely.

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Always. Always, always.

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Well, you charge that the Air Force has been suppressing information,

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deliberately withholding back facts about...

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Oh, that's right. They have an order, Air Force Regulation 200,

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which orders anyone in the Air Force to withhold information unless they're okayed by headquarters.

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Well, the information about... I was a pilot in the Air Force for four years.

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Well, it was Apollo 3, which took me a year to learn how.

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That's all right. That's the right time. The right length of time.

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And I never heard anything about... I never heard anybody ever tell me that if I spotted something,

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I couldn't tell anybody about it.

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Well, what time was that? What year?

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My pilot training class was 57.0, which means I got my wings in 1957, and I flew through 61.60.

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Well, the order was in effect then, but it wasn't probably circulated widely.

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Oh. We have a copy of it, just in case you're curious to see it.

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Mr. Crane, you know your producer has seen one. Did you know that?

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My producer has seen one?

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First of all, it's not my... I think you told him about Mr. Norman Clement of our staff.

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Yes?

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Who, A, is not my producer, forgive me, I didn't know.

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And B, is a little weird.

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He is just a little bit funny.

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You know what I mean, so I know.

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Are we humor? I mean, we don't... As a matter of fact, if he's around,

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he may be coming out to get me, or they may be coming to get him.

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Okay, do we show the slides first, or do we have the commercial first? What's the plan?

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We have got pictures. What are you doing? We have the commercial first.

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That's his letter.

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We have some pictures of some... You know, you figure it out.

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We've got some pretty strange pictures to show you in about a minute from right now.

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Okay, we're going to show you some slides, photos of the kind of aerial phenomena we're talking about.

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It's up to you make up your own mind, all the UFOs,

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kneecap supply this with them, and the thighcap.

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I like kneecap better, you know that?

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That's a much, much catchier way of, you know, however.

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And I think they'll show up pretty well on your TV.

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First, this is a picture taken May 11, 1950, by Paul Trent in McKinville, Oregon.

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It was examined and published by Life Magazine, and Life described them as an honest individual,

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and said the negative appeared to be untampered with.

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Here's another picture taken by... Here's another picture.

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Here's another picture taken by Paul Trent, the famous Paul Trent in Oregon.

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Okay, August 1951, the next page.

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I can even use those clickers, you know that?

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I can slide shows, change the slide.

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Okay, August 1951, one of the most famous American UFO sightings in Lubbock, Texas.

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The photo was taken by Carl Hart Jr. of a V-shaped light formation known as the Lubbock Lights.

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The Air Force said it was light reflected from a high-flying bird.

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That's pretty weird.

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Okay, here's an official U.S. Coast Guard photo taken by Shell Alpert in the Salem, Massachusetts Coast Guard Station in 1952.

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He watched bright lights in the sky, watched them for a few seconds more, called in another Coast Guard'sman,

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or explanation to add concerning this photograph and no official opinion as to the identity or origin of the lights.

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Now, here's a surprise. Take a look at this.

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This photograph was published in the official organ of the Royal Air Force, the RAF Flying Review,

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which the magazine said seemed one of the few photographs of UFOs that does appear to be authentic.

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This photograph was taken in Royal, France in 1954, and it looks identical with a Paul Trent photo we already showed you taken thousands of miles away four years earlier.

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Let's go back and show you the Paul Trent picture, the one before that.

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The one before. We can't do it.

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Now, here are a couple of pictures that were taken in 1957 over Fujisawa in Japan.

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NICAP isn't very strong on these, right, Major? You don't touch right.

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You feel they're the most dubious of the samples that you brought,

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but we thought we'd include them anyway to spell out the time.

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Here's a long-awaited shot of a Japanese capsule sighting, and here's a close-up of it.

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That could be anything, you know that?

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That could really be anything.

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Here's a photograph taken on the Pacific Coast near San Pedro, California on December 1957 by radio officer T. Fogle aboard the British ship SS Ramsey.

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And a series of pictures taken off Brazil, the Trinidadis Islands, as the unidentified flying object was in motion.

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These pictures were taken by a marine photographer on a Brazilian ship participating in the International Geophysical Year.

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I can hardly see anything there.

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Oh, I see, up in the corner. Okay.

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I see. Oh, look at those. There's a whole bunch of them.

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Oh, I'm looking at the clouds. I just thought I spotted four of them.

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It's contagious. I think that's enough, right?

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Oh, wait a minute. There's one I do want to show you.

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Can you skip down to slide number 16?

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Can you cut through the chain to slide number 16?

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That's not it.

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Okay, now this is interesting.

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An aircraft company that we cannot name took this picture as a promotion picture for this airplane, the B-57, but they never published it.

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And the reason why they never published it is because in the upper right-hand corner, there is something that showed up on the print of the picture,

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which you can't see in this picture, which we'll show you right now.

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This is a blow-up of the upper right-hand corner of that picture of the B-57 airplane.

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And this picture was only recently submitted to MyCap, which estimates that it was taken between 1958 and 1960.

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I think this has more weight to it than all the photographs that you might show.

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The official Air Force Intelligence sketch based on 3,000 reports was described, UFO, was just disc-shaped objects,

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apparently metallic, which can maneuver speeds up to thousands of miles an hour.

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Now that was circulated secretly to all Air Force intelligence agencies.

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It's the very same time the Air Force stated they had no idea what these things looked like.

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That not only proves the secrecy, but also that they have a very good idea what these things are.

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Well, all I can tell you, all I can reiterate again is that for the four years that I was in the Air Force and a pilot,

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and I had a secret clearance and all the rest of it, I never...

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Well, now, one thing you don't realize, probably this document here, the UFO alienates, is based on an eight-year investigation.

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The Board of Governors in MyCap includes admiral, journalist, colonels, scientists, technicians, pilots,

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and over 200 experts in this field.

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Many of them have said, sightings, we've investigated over 5,000.

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At least a thousand of these represent airline pilots on every major airline, all the services in the United States,

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tower operators, missile tractors.

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All of these people saw something and sometimes the radar tracking confirmed the visual.

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Professional astronomers, too, Misha.

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Professional astronomers?

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Yes, professional astronomers.

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That's very interesting, and I'll tell you why that's interesting and I've been it from right now.

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Okay, we've heard about UFOs or whatever they are, and I'm going to be neutral for a minute or two more.

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However, you mentioned astronomers, reputable astronomers have corroborated your sightings and your document evidences.

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I would like to introduce to you now, to my audience, Dr. I.M. Leavitt.

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Dr. Leavitt, would you come out here please?

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Have you met these gentlemen before?

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Thank you.

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All right, Dr. Leavitt is the director, gentlemen, the director of the Fells Planetarium in Philadelphia,

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probably one of the most famous planetarium in planetarium.

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Planetarium, but the people in New York will hate you for this, you know that.

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Well, the hating planetarium is a nice planetarium, too.

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I'm glad you put up that.

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I'm just accrediting you, Dr. and Dr. Leavitt is the director of the Fells down in Philadelphia,

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which is a most distinguished planetarium.

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And what do you think about all the pictures you just saw and all the evidence in the Major Keyhoes book UFO?

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Well, I haven't had very much chance to go through this book, but from what I have, there are some very striking examples of taking too much for granted.

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Astronomers have seen them in the book we list, too.

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Clyde Tombaugh, Seymour Hess.

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Clyde Tombaugh did not say he saw a flying saucer.

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He said he saw something.

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Seymour Hess also said, I saw something.

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Now, no one is going to say to you that you do not see anything to go.

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To do that is to say the 5,000 people are so who have contributed to this book,

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except for those who plant the Liberate Hoaxes and there are those.

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Those people are suffering from hallucinations.

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We will not say that.

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They are seeing something, but what we are saying is,

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you describe precisely what you saw in great detail,

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and the chances are we can tell you what this was, is the operation of a natural law.

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The Air Force has done this in Project Blue Book, and I think 97% of the sightings have been identified and have been explained as the operation of a natural law.

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And of course, the first thing, the people who are fostering saucers and who would like to believe,

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this may be extraterrestrial life, will say, well, it is not the 97%, I am thinking about it as the 3%.

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And my answer to that is it was 99.99, and 49.99, they would say it is that 101%,

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that is the bunch that we are talking about, not the others.

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And so in an argument like this, you cannot lose.

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You must say, these people are seeing something, and the scientists will say,

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tell us what you are seeing precisely.

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Well, I mean, cut through because we do have a time problem, doctor.

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In all your years of looking at pictures, and most of astronomy today is studying photographs, is it not?

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Well, in my case, studying the sky.

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Okay, and looking at the sky, looking at the sky.

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Precisely.

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And discussing astronomy and phenomenon with all of your colleagues, have you ever, in your entire career,

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ever come across an instance that would lead you to believe that there was an object manufactured on some other planet?

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Well, it is not only that I do, and I have never seen it, but I don't know of a single astronomer, other than those two,

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and there must be several thousand of them in the country who have seen one,

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and you must recall that these people look in the sky every night.

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I do, I run an observatory, and I take several hundred people up occasionally,

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and I have a point-out constellation, and if there should be a star that doesn't belong there,

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I can tell you that there should be a star missing.

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I can also tell you that it's a prominent one.

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A star has never seen...

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Well, it's kind of scary, wouldn't it?

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Anyway, this has never happened, but should there be a gap where there should be a star?

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The chances are, I would know, for I know the constellation very well.

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What you're reacting to...

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I'd like to say there are far more than two, doctor.

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You're simply not equated with one.

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I'm not taking what is in the...

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Just tell me, please.

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You said that Dr. Hess did not say he saw a UFO heat.

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We have a report from him in which he says he saw a powered disk.

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If you want to see it, we've got a show to you.

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There was another planetarium up in Boston, a hidden planetarium,

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one of their staff, Mr. Walter Webb, has a sighting up there which is reported to us.

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Dr. James Bartlett...

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But what did he report that he reported?

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He reported a sighting of a plane.

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He reported an object moving at tremendous speed under intelligent control,

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making maneuvers, blasters, and titers of anything.

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Well, this is...

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We have, as I would like to continue, I mean, doctor.

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It is...

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Well, you are going to build up such a case by the time you are finished.

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I'll never know where I want to go.

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That's you and the very well, right?

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I am just patient.

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In any case...

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In any case...

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Well, as many as much as possible.

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I'm not going to get in here, either, right?

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Come on, I'm the leader out here.

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Follow the leader gang.

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Simon says that we only have a minute left.

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I know.

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I was trying to get half of it.

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So, I'll...

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No, well...

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But I just want to ask the comical number one, is you're...

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This is a non-profit organization, is it, right?

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Washington, D.C.

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And we have thousands of reports from people who have had a go-up...

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You'll send over.

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...to the joint organization.

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Oh, no.

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Fifty-five years ago.

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Fifty-five years ago.

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I'm thinking that five dollars.

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Well, we run in the red custody.

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And also, major, you know, you were a good part of your own life.

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You were a good part of your own living by writing books and talking about...

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No, I'm saucers.

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I lost money on this.

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You know that I have written a lot of...

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I wish I got your fee for this true story magazine.

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I'm going to flood it, but I sure wish I got your fee for that.

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Well, I won a little bit of money.

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I think, Dr. Lee...

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Fifteen years ago, and here's another one.

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No, I made a lot of money on two articles from fifteen years ago.

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What did you say, Colonel?

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I said, I think the doctor's getting a little off the subject.

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Now, Tom's running out of money.

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Yeah, I know.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Don't you get paid for working too?

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Oh, yes, but I'm trying to point out, if you get paid to this, can you view it as an

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objectively as someone who is completely divorced from this?

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This is a question which I have.

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Dr. Lee, of course, it's only a minor thing.

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I have a bachelor of science degree, which doesn't match yours, of course.

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But I regard myself as a very careful reporter.

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I have examined and interrogated over 400 pilots, four pilots and American pilots.

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We have signed reports on almost 1,000 of them.

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They include reports by astronomers, and I would challenge you to come down to our organization

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sometime.

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We will show you these records, and if you can explain them satisfactorily, and the Air Force

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can, we will disband our organization.

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We have one more minute for a comment on this, a few seconds.

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You know, for someone to sit here and say, we can prove everything, is to say that there's

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no more necessity for research.

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Now, there are aerial phenomenon taking place, of which we have no knowledge, simply because

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we have not yet discovered what the basic laws, the natural laws of which these operate.

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And so there could be many of these things which happen cited by intelligent people,

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by people of integrity, and this is right, except for one thing, and that is that it is still

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the operation of a natural law, perhaps a natural law, which we do not understand at the moment.

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Doctor, did you ever hear of Ed and Laurie Chilling Carter, formerly the CIA?

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He was the chairman of our board.

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He was on our board for five years.

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He issued a statement that these things were real, that they were under intelligent control.

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It was a dangerous situation because several times there have been garrables of the strategic

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air command when these things were mistaken for Soviet attack.

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Well, that could be a danger.

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Scrabbling our Air Forces to run after something could be a danger, especially if there's nothing there.

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These things have been picked up on radar repeatedly.

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Well, let me have just shaped objects seen at the same time.

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Before we attribute all sorts of things to the Air Force, let me conclude, we're out of time.

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I want to thank you gentlemen all for all I conclude by just we contacted the Air Force.

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And this is from Major Mastin Jax, who is the Pentagon UFO Project Officer.

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The Air Force has a responsibility for the air defense of the United States and is also interested in aerial phenomena.

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In 16 years of tracking down reports, 9,000 of them, not one, repeat not one, has ever turned out to be a threat to American security,

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or an example of advanced technology, nor of interplanetary or extraterrestrial origin.

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I just want to throw that in.

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Not for any special, that's eluded in any way.

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That's an official policy which has been carried out that we have on our board, the former monitor of the entire project,

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and he says that for years the Air Force has been hiding things from the world.

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In any case, it was interesting, right?

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Right?

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Right!